In this episode, I talk to Sara Rose Whaley, also known as my sister, about infertility, body image, marriage, relationships, life transformations, intuition, and our 20-something antics.

Specifically, we talk about the platinum rule, the power of saying “I don’t know what to say,” seasons of relationships, and what not to say to pregnant women.


  • “I would like to think that it was God’s voice…It was just desperation and horniess.”
  • “When you’re single, everyone’s like ‘You need to be 100% happy being single.’ No you don’t. You don’t need to change your dreams and pretend that those are not your dreams. I think what people are really saying…”
  • “Be in the pain and do shit anyway.”
  • “I didn’t know that I was to be trusted.”

Other quotes mentioned:

  • “‘Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die.’” -Unknown
  • “I’ve never seen any life transformation that didn’t begin with the person in question finally getting tired of their own bullshit.” -Elizabeth Gilbert

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